Devils Advocate: Trades Edition
Devils Advocate: Trades Edition
Devils Advocate: Trades Edition is a no-BS podcast hosted by Lisa McGrath, featuring honest conversations about construction, business, leadership, workplace issues, and the hard truths shaping today's trades industry.
Lisa McGrath

Hard Hats, Hard Truth EP13

Bonus • Jun 11, 2026 • 44 mins

Lisa McGrath and Michael Hamoen share personal stories and dive into the realities of entering the trades, discussing career choices and starting from the bottom. They explore industry challenges such as employee shortages, overtime expectations, and nepotism. The conversation addresses misogyny in the trades, family business succession, and shifting career aspirations. They delve into justice, values, and decision-making under stress, while highlighting emotional vulnerability and mental health support for men. Michael shares his journey of overcoming homelessness, resilience, and giving back. The episode concludes with gratitude and maintaining perspective.

Key Points

  • The trades industry is experiencing a significant shortfall in skilled workers, making it an opportune time for new entrants to negotiate better conditions and pay.
  • Starting at the bottom in a trades company builds character and respect for the work, even if you have relevant education or connections.
  • Practicing gratitude and resilience, even in challenging circumstances, can help maintain a positive outlook and foster personal growth.
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